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Jesus Siddik the islamic bak magic or elbak elislami on face book. Like omar bashir and Silvakir in Sudan. A state for christian Copts in Egypt, with christian state in the North.
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What exactly does Louise think the international community should do?

The best thing would have been preventing the idiotic ICC from making it’s flawed and biased accusations of grenocide, based on some dodgy statistics and arrogant grandstanding.

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Pokerdonkey

27 Apr 2010, 6:53PM 

What exactly does Louise think the international community should do?

The best thing would have been preventing the idiotic ICC from making it’s flawed and biased accusations of grenocide, based on some dodgy statistics and arrogant grandstanding.

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riziki

27 Apr 2010, 6:54PM 

This is a man who, since taking power in 1989 in a military coup, has launched militias against his own people

They are not “his own people”, that’s is ,rather, the problem of the Sudan

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ballymichael

27 Apr 2010, 7:06PM 

Possibly it is a farce. Unfortunately, all our troops are currently tied up fighting to defend an equally farcically-elected leader on another continent, while President Karzai (for it is he) merrily tells his countrymen that all the corruption is caused by the west anyway, and the appetite of our electorates for foreign adventures is at rock bottom.

Sorry, the international community is fresh out of General Gordon-of-Khartoums at this time. Please try again later. Alternatively, you might wish to try reducing your expectations and exhortations in the direction of the international community.

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Howard2009

27 Apr 2010, 7:32PM 

There are posts of Pres. Omar al-Bashir everywhere in Khartoum, the capital city of Sudan. All the local people I talked with seemed very grateful for the development and peace from 2005. They all think Sudan need a democratic government as well as a strong man elected to keep the country moving forward.

But ICC and some western journalists think otherwise. They hate a peaceful and developing Sudan under Bashir, and want it overthrown in a night.

If let them choose between a peaceful sudan under Bashir’s powerful control , and a democratic but chaotic sudan, they seem to prefer the later. Just the reverse of the choice of the majority of Sudanese.

Just my 2 cents.

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Aazaal

27 Apr 2010, 7:33PM 

If I may quote myself from a previous thread on this subject: A politically motivated indictment against the leader of an impoverished, third world country will only be taken seriously when similar indictments are issued against leaders of powerful countries that have committed similar (and in many cases , far worse) crimes.

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Achilles0200

27 Apr 2010, 7:47PM 

Aazaal

If I may quote myself from a previous thread on this subject: A politically motivated indictment against the leader of an impoverished, third world country will only be taken seriously when similar indictments are issued against leaders of powerful countries that have committed similar (and in many cases , far worse) crimes.

Can’t think of many crimes worse than a genocide that has directly led to the deaths of 400,000 people in about 3 years. Perhaps you might list them for me.

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usini

27 Apr 2010, 8:21PM 

So what does the writer suggest? Sanctions against a dirt-poor third world country? “Shock and Awe” and “Enduring Freedom”? She should say.

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Aazaal

27 Apr 2010, 8:44PM 

Achilles0200
27 Apr 2010, 7:47PM

Can’t think of many crimes worse than a genocide that has directly led to the deaths of 400,000 people in about 3 years. Perhaps you might list them for me.

It is not a genocide, just because Colin Powell declares it so. It is not a genocide because Ocambo issued an indictment. A war happened where many innocents suffered and died.

As for worse (or similar ) crimes in living memory, and off the top of my head, how about Congo, Iraq, Vietnam, Uganda, Chechnya, for starters.

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ghenghiskhan

27 Apr 2010, 9:08PM 

Well the International community should do as it always has done. Nothing.

The Author fails to mention the fraud election in Afghanistan, widely accepted as a stolen one. Also how can we forget the election about to be stolen in Iraq at this very moment in time, with The Guardian reporting just today about the expulsion of a number of mps from the opposition.

Sudan on the hit list?

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stevejones123

27 Apr 2010, 9:10PM 

It is not a genocide, just because Colin Powell declares it so

Ah but it is, if a luvvie says so, and they’ve got Martin Sheen on their side.

Whose the UN or Alex de Waal compared to the star of the West Wing?

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theshow

27 Apr 2010, 9:12PM 

This comment must have come straight out of the Ocampo propaganda circle.

Anyway, not a shred of evidence has come out that genocide took place in Darfur. That in itself is a sinister crime, committed by most of the western media!

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frog2

27 Apr 2010, 9:26PM 

Indignation Rules !

If you don’t have all the details on Bashir’s People Shredders, Call Ann Clwyd .

She is an expert —- but at what exactly ?

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guardiansays

27 Apr 2010, 9:42PM 

i agree, the elections are a sham…….. same as the elections in egypt, pakistan, yemen, bangladesh, iraq, afghanistan….. is it me or is ther a pattern. they are all states with oppresive regimes sopported by western interests, in particular british and american governments. the problem rather than being over their, is closer to home, the foreign policy of the west

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guardiansays

27 Apr 2010, 9:43PM 

i agree

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Aazaal

27 Apr 2010, 10:01PM 

That right stevejones. I forgot all about President Bartlett, not to mention all the other wonderful celebrities.

In the words of Homer Simpson “Celebrities. Is there anything they cant do?”

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Krok

27 Apr 2010, 11:05PM 

The Sudanese President and Sudanese people should be congratulated on this great victory, which marks an important step to strengthening unity and security in the country. President Bashir has proven that he and his government alone are capable of confronting many of the challenges facing Sudan. His record in office is impeccable, as it has been one of progress prosperity. The enemies of Sudan who have plotted to dismember the country and turn Sudanese against one another have been dealt a crushing blow from which they will not recover.

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Krok

27 Apr 2010, 11:51PM 

while facing charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity from the international criminal court (ICC).

This would actually mean something if the ICC was not a western imperialist kangaroo court. The ICC has no jurisdiction of Sudan’s affairs and the President himself is protected by diplomatic immunity. The ICC’s demonization campaign against Sudan is in fact an attack on the country by proxy from the imperialists.

preventing opposition candidates from campaigning, rigging the polls and cracking down on civil and political rights.

It would be nice if these allegations were substantiated by actual evidence. Rather, impartial observers from the African Union have confirmed that the elections were free and fair.

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moretheylie

28 Apr 2010, 12:47AM 

The international community should not have permitted a man wanted for war crimes to retain power via a rigged poll

i thought this article wasnt about the british elections.

Bashir to entrench his control and to become the first head of state to be elected while facing charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity from the international criminal court (ICC).

its a curious thing how our war criminals somehow manage to bypass ICC.

As a master of manipulation, rigging elections presents no great challenge.

does anyone trust the uk media during our election, does anyone still have any faith in the pollsters who are using push polling.

For months, it has been clear for all to see that these elections would be deeply flawed.

the russian observers said they were fine.

It is difficult therefore to understand why anyone believes a man of this intent and nature would be willing to allow the oil-rich south to secede from his power,

its difficult to accept that anyone would care if it was not for sudans oil.

Tragically the ultimate victims of this farcical process will of course be the Sudanese people.

since when did we care what happened to brown people.

While the international community now solely focuses on the 2011 referendum,

its all about the oil, it always was.

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mikesmith

28 Apr 2010, 1:07AM 

“The international community should not have permitted a man wanted for war crimes to retain power via a rigged poll”

Yes, that’s true. But Brown got in on Blair’s coattails, and there wasn’t much that the world could do about it except recoil in disgust. Hopefully the UK will get rid of its monarchy some day and join the modern world. (You were talking about the UK, weren’t you? )

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BriscoRant

28 Apr 2010, 2:44AM 

Er – just to pass on comments from one of my friends from S Sudan – currenty in Australia studying at uni.

The elections were not just for president, also vice president also; plus local assemblies in various provinces.

Salva Kiir – a southern politician, successor to John Mabior Garang apparently got in as vice president of the whole of Sudan ie the Khartoum government – and president of the South (governmed from Juba).

Quite how much Kiir can do in Khartoum, I dont know. But the result, might ot be so one-sided, as the article suggests. There is perhaps the beginnings , of a break on Bashir…..

Anyone else , got more information on this?

Any people from S Sudan reading this, like to post?

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basetwo

28 Apr 2010, 3:08AM 

Does Hypocracy have no bounds, who accused the Sudan President of war crimes, that same bunch who have still not arrested and shot the real criminals, Bush, Cheney and Blair.

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basetwo

28 Apr 2010, 3:23AM 

The western media are deceiving themselves if they think for a moment their lies and propaganda gets any traction. Yes there are people who actually believe 19 arabs hijacked four aircraft, there are millions who think there is such an organisation called Al-Qeada or variations of it led by Osama Bin Laden from a cave in Afghanistan. There were millions believed Iraq had more weaponry than the USA because the western media said so.

But I’ll let you into a secret Osama Bin Laden is a US agent.

There were no hijackers.

Most of the so-called terrorist attacks are carried out by western special forces.

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rhysn

28 Apr 2010, 4:18AM 

I doubt after the Iraq War débâcle – with all the attendant crimes committed there – and perhaps the Afghanistan conflict, to a lesser extent, the ‘West’, i.e. USA, UK, EU, has the necessary credibility to remove a mass-murderous dictator like Bashir from power and plonk him in front of the ICJ where he deservedly belongs. Blair, Bush, Brown, Howard, and the rest can join him.

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edasich

28 Apr 2010, 4:35AM 

So the genocidal dictator of Sudan has stolen an “election.”

And I should care because…..?

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notconned

28 Apr 2010, 5:55AM 

The EU/Uk or the rest of the world won’t do anything,not if they don’t fatwas riots,
and suicide bombings.

After all Omar al-Bashir is a Muslim,who also happens to be a war criminal and is responsible for the murder and rape of millions of Darfurians.

The world didn’t care about these Human Beings.

Why would they give a rat’s whether an election was rigged or not.

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28 Apr 2010, 5:57AM 

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notconned

28 Apr 2010, 5:59AM 

A few of the Muslim states,received Omar al-Bashir warmly and gave him a hero’s welcome.

In the Arab world Omar al-Bashir can do no wrong.

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edasich

28 Apr 2010, 6:49AM 

notconned wrote:

In the Arab world Omar al-Bashir can do no wrong.

Now there’s a surprise.

Who would ever have guessed that the Arab leadership would welcome a genocidal dictator into their midst.

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Aazaal

28 Apr 2010, 7:49AM 

Who would ever have guessed that the Arab leadership would welcome a genocidal dictator into their midst.

Not just the Arab Leadership edasich. President Omar Al-Bashir is pretty popular among large swathes of the Arab Population. the man commands a lot more respect than Mubarak and his ilk ever could.

And like i said above, what has happened in Sudan these past years is a war. NOT a genocide.

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humbertoranieri

28 Apr 2010, 8:12AM 

Sad are the days when all manners of Quangos with funny names, funded by north american or european interest, permit themselves to lecture those blackie-brownie-slopes.

When will this stop? There were 400 momstly western Quangos in Kosovo while Yugoslavia, alte rSerbia, was being balkanised. There are several hundred shady “relief” another Quangos in Haiti? To make sure haitians don”t go the Cubva or Venezuela way?

And here have we the usual anti-sudan piece giving events a twist trhe sudanese do not need. Bachir is actually popular in sudan. He’d have won even with God himself running in those presidential elections.

But who wants the truth? Not our ever-proliferating Quangos! Nor it seems many of commentators in CiF, whose curiosity for the world is as low as their propensity is high for superior-than-thou remarks.

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edasich

28 Apr 2010, 8:29AM 

Aazaal wrote:

“And like i said above, what has happened in Sudan these past years is a war. NOT a genocide.”

Oh really?

Well what is your definition of genocide?

Aazaal wrote:

Not just the Arab Leadership edasich. President Omar Al-Bashir is pretty popular among large swathes of the Arab Population. the man commands a lot more respect than Mubarak and his ilk ever could.

You’re probably right. That explains a lot about the multiple pathologies that afflict the Arab world as so well documented in successive “Arab Human Development Reports.”

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AJM1969

28 Apr 2010, 8:44AM 

Leave him alone you bloody colonialist, whats he ever done to you eh? Its all the wests fault, and George Bush too, he’s to blame.

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stevehill

28 Apr 2010, 8:47AM 

I agree, but unfortunately the international community appear not to give a damn about the arrest warrants they have issued:

During a visit to Egypt, al-Bashir was not arrested, leading to condemnation by Amnesty International. In October 2009 al-Bashir was invited to Uganda by President Yoweri Museveni for an African Union meeting in Kampala, but did not attend after protest by several NGOs. On October 23, 2009, al-Bashir was invited to Nigeria by President Umaru Yar’Adua for another AU meeting, and was not arrested. In November, he was invited to Turkey for an OIC meeting.[77] Later, he was invited to Denmark to attend conferences on climate change in Copenhagen.

You can’t really blame him for taking the piss if everybody else is in contempt of court too. A court which, incidentally, the USA refuses to recognise.

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stevehill

28 Apr 2010, 8:58AM 

theshow

Anyway, not a shred of evidence has come out that genocide took place in Darfur.

Actually, there’s http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_al-Bashir#Arrest_warrant” rel=”nofollow”>quite a lot.

“on February 3, 2010, the judges at the International Criminal Court held that the Pre-Trial Chamber had improperly dismissed the genocide charges against al-Bashir and ordered the Pre-Trial Chamber to reconsider them.”

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edasich

28 Apr 2010, 9:01AM 

stevehill wrote:

You can’t really blame him for taking the piss if everybody else is in contempt of court too. A court which, incidentally, the USA refuses to recognise.

Occasionally the Americans do display a refreshing absence of humbug. Not always. Not even often. But this is definitely one of those times.

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OneWorldGovernment

28 Apr 2010, 9:05AM 

The western media are deceiving themselves if they think for a moment their lies and propaganda gets any traction. Yes there are people who actually believe 19 arabs hijacked four aircraft, there are millions who think there is such an organisation called Al-Qeada or variations of it led by Osama Bin Laden from a cave in Afghanistan. There were millions believed Iraq had more weaponry than the USA because the western media said so.

But I’ll let you into a secret Osama Bin Laden is a US agent.

There were no hijackers.

Most of the so-called terrorist attacks are carried out by western special forces.

Yes! Please keep on believing that the U.S. can pull the puppet strings of everyone and everything. You play right into our hands.

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Aazaal

28 Apr 2010, 9:08AM 

edasich
28 Apr 2010, 8:29AM

Oh really?

Well what is your definition of genocide?

You want a definition of genocide? how about this one from wikipedia (not the most reliable source, but still) : “The deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group.”

Sounds about right to me. Now can you prove to me that what has happened in Sudan fits the above description? Did the government pursue a policy of “deliberate” and “systemic” destruction towards the people of the south (or any where else?).

As for you comment about the “multiple pathologies that afflict the Arab world”, Well that truly is beneath contempt.

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HaMasmer

28 Apr 2010, 9:18AM 

I don’t understand what is the discussion , Tayyip Erdogan said that Muslims can not commit Genocide , So no Genocide .

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edasich

28 Apr 2010, 9:28AM 

Aazaal

Here is how genocide is defined in the Convention on the Prevention and Punishmentof the Crime of Genocide

http://www.hrweb.org/legal/genocide.html

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

* (a) Killing members of the group;
* (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
* (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
* (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
* (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

I think the actions of the Sudanese Government easily meet that definition which, I suggest, is more authoritative than something from wikipedia.

At the very least there is a strong case to answer.

Incidentally this is the definition that is usually used by people who accuse Israel of genocide. Do you think the Israeli government is guilty of genocide.

It is also the basis of the charge of genocide that used to be leveled against the Apartheid government in South Africa. Do you think South Africa’s Apartheid government was genocidal?

Aazaal wrote:

As for you comment about the “multiple pathologies that afflict the Arab world”, Well that truly is beneath contempt.

Don’t argue with me. Argue with the authors of the Arab Human Development Reports.

BTW all the authors are Arab Muslims.

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MERidley

28 Apr 2010, 10:15AM 

We nearly had Blair as European President, there is a set of double standards which undermines the ICC.

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muhammadeltilib

28 Apr 2010, 10:19AM 

I salute you sister.

Your article perfectly sums up my view and that of many of my Sudanese fellow citizens about how the international community has become a complicit in the crime of fabricating our will and legitimizing a dictator.

We stood and watched with great sadness as leaders of the international community kept making statements suggesting credibility of these farcical elections.

The way we see it, the international community is sacrificing democracy in Sudan at the altar of securing peaceful secession in the south. But their illusions will soon be dissipated when they come to see with their own eyes that Al-Bashir will not allow velvet secession for the south.

He cannot really afford to let the oil, on which the state is totally dependent, go with the south.
At that moment, I will be gloating at the naïve international community.

Thanks again for your eye-opening article. May God bless you for speaking the truth.

Muhammad Osman

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PhilipIbrahim

28 Apr 2010, 10:26AM 

The article by Louise is both very silly and very arrogant. What does the author expect from the first multi-party election in a country for over 20 years that in that subsequent period has been in a constant state of war in one part of the country or another under the same autocrat that came to power via a military coup, in which aforementioned autocrat is standing? To deny that progress has been made in Sudan since the signing of the CPA is facetious. The lives of millions of Sudanese have been improved due cessation of violence in the south.

It was a most imperfect election, but to risk damaging the CPA und upcoming referendum for seccesion and stir up more conflict in the South and Darfur would be irresponsible and arrogant. Sudan is moving in a postive direction for all it’s people, now is not the time for grandstanding.

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edasich

28 Apr 2010, 10:41AM 

PhilipIbrahim wrote:

“What does the author expect…”

LOL

When it comes to Africa I expect nothing.

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kaputie

28 Apr 2010, 11:25AM 

Thank you Muhammad, you seem to be the only Sudanese, or anybody with any credibility able to make sensible comment amongst all these conspiracist anti-western threads. I’d like to join you as unlike Aazal & others of his appalling ilk I’ve actually lived in Sudan & in particular Darfur, where international Aid aircraft flying IN to El Fashr airport would had, in 2005, to dodge the GOS gunships flying OUT to machinegun their own citizens. Your pitiful attempts to ‘define’ genocide sicken me Aazal! You have not the slightest clue as to what it really means! I was in South Sudan when Bashir came to power in 1989, by military coup! He then ruled with no popular mandate at all (with an iron fist which left millions dead) until this week…… This monster of a ‘leader’ “quite popular” in Sudan? Comments here above are really stupefyingly ignorant & misinformed considering the suffering that has taken place during the era of this horrible, brutal, all-powerful single human being in Africa’s largest country, god help it, because history is not stopping here…..

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amcpartland

28 Apr 2010, 11:47AM 

He is not the only leader who has potentially committed war crimes. Some of these actually were re elected on the “first past the post” electoral system which allow a party to retain power with just a little over 35% of the popular vote.

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Achilles0200

28 Apr 2010, 2:03PM 

basetwo

The western media are deceiving themselves if they think for a moment their lies and propaganda gets any traction. Yes there are people who actually believe 19 arabs hijacked four aircraft, .

Of course we know better – it was the Martians (disguised as Arabs).

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drmusa

28 Apr 2010, 2:44PM 

dear gosselin,
I was amazed to read your article and the comment of muhammadeltllib ,you two were marvellous and put it exactly as it should be, well i was there at Burg El Fatih ,khartoum ,when ex-president carter was authenticating for dictator omer elbashire,I took the stage(at question time) and told him infront of the media present(alot of them were there) that I could not beleive Mr. prsodent (humbelly I put it),you go to the palace in khartoum and shake hands with somebody who is wanted by the international community as a war criminal and facing other charges by the ICC(to my knoweldge US Envoy Grassion didnt) , ON A REQUEST FROM THE SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION 1593 and your country Mr.president is a PERMENANT MEMBER of that council. I was not far (in the front raw) from Mr. carter and I could see that he went red. He sipped and took his time to answer back but it was a diplomatic answer unsatisfactory to me and notherners of the sudan to be sold right out by the hypocracy of implementation of the CPA at any cost least by a rigged ballot cast.. God gracious, my sister Gosselin, I lived in London for six years durring my PhD studies at the university of london ,I have seen lots of holes in emocracy sell and buy,but not that least sold. This dictator ( Idi amin carbon copy) leapt on power by a military coe 1989,and you know what even on his fiorst day he lied to his people that no political party was involved in his movement ,to be revealed just in one month that his master shiekh el Turabi of the islamic front was the orchesterator, yes sister WE HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO IS A LIER AND A CHEAT.
DR I.A..MUSA, PhD.

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28 Apr 2010, 3:22PM 

basetwo wrote:

The western media are deceiving themselves if they think for a moment their lies and propaganda gets any traction. Yes there are people who actually believe 19 arabs hijacked four aircraft, there are millions who think there is such an organisation called Al-Qeada or variations of it led by Osama Bin Laden from a cave in Afghanistan. There were millions believed Iraq had more weaponry than the USA because the western media said so.

But I’ll let you into a secret Osama Bin Laden is a US agent.

There were no hijackers.

Most of the so-called terrorist attacks are carried out by western special forces.

basetwo,

Are you by any chance a reincarnation of Monty Python?

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SalehAlamer

28 Apr 2010, 3:59PM 

Louise Roland-Gosselin I’m frankly fed up with the use of term “International Community”.

There are 200 nations on this planet. Calling a handfull of western countries “International Community” is pure arrogance and disregards the majority of world’s countries.

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MrMilk

28 Apr 2010, 5:48PM 

But once again the rhetoric of “democratic change” has been meaningless. While the international community now solely focuses on the 2011 referendum, the Sudanese people are left to wonder once again what it might take for the international community to stand up to Bashir and to protect them.

It is my feeling that the so called International Community should leave the Sudanese people alone. I wonder what it takes for the people of Sudan (myself included) to stand up for themselves. We do not want to be the next Iraq or Afganistan. Both of which suffer from fraudulant elections and war, under the guidence and watchfull eye of Uncle Sam.

As for democracy, it doesn’t really exist anywhere. I was in the states in 2000 when Bush stoll the Presidency from the Americans. I was also here in the UK when Blair took the British into an illegal war that was against the will of the majority. Then I watched as the Labour government changed MPs with out consulting the citizens they claim to represent.

Turning to the ICC, I say this; Firstly they have no jurisdiction in Sudan or anywhere else. Secondly, it is their indictment of Bashir that has lead to a surge in his popularity at home. For the simple fact that the people of Sudan feel as though only they have the right to charge their own leader with crime.

To put it another way, yes Bashir is a bad man but he’s our bad man. When you in the west can tame your own leaders then come and try dealing with ours. For better or worse, that is the feeling on the Sudanese street.

My question is this, does the ‘International Community’ care about the plight of people in Sudan or do they want to get their hands on Southern Sudanese oil and development contracts, when the south splits from the rest of the counrty?

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igeorgeyussuf

28 Apr 2010, 6:17PM 

??? ??? ????? ???????? ?? ??????the islamic bak magic or elbak elislami on face book. Like omar bashir and Silvakir in Sudan. A state for christian Copts in Egypt, with christian state in the North.
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